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4C Expanded

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The 4C System has been awfully quiet these days. It's about time to wake it back up again! Welcome to 4C EXPANDED! This gaming system has a ton of new material that will make your sessions SUPER! We've Expanded the Powers! We've Expanded Magic! We've Expanded Headquarters! We've Expanded it ALL! Grab your copy today!

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Yann E July 08, 2023 8:26 am UTC
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Hello,

What's the differences between the files : 4cexpandedrev.pdf, 4cexpanded.pdf and 4cexpandedred.pdf ?

Regards
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James K July 25, 2023 4:19 am UTC
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The rev is a revised version of the original file that was first uploaded and the red file is the PDF after being ran through Adobe Acrobat's Reduce File Size optimizer. I left the original files up for posterity, but I may remove the older versions.
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I. P July 27, 2023 2:36 pm UTC
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Just for clarity, is the "red" file the original file run through the Adobe optimizer or is the "red" file the revised file ("rev" file) run through the Adobe optimizer?
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James K July 28, 2023 6:54 pm UTC
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The Red file should be the revised PDF.
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Jeremy H October 08, 2022 7:13 am UTC
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I'm trying to branch out my content creation into the supers genre. When it comes to supers, I'm most familiar with the old FASERIP system. I have yet to dive into 4C Expanded, but how compatible is it with the old Marvel TSR game?
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James K October 19, 2022 2:14 pm UTC
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The bare bones of the system is essentially FASERIP with the numbers filed off. That said, I've made several optional changes or added some different ways to handle certain things that are not found in the FASERIP rules. You can use the options or default to the original rules if you want. If you do choose to use 4CX for your products, I have psd files of the logo that I use for my stuff. Jump over to the 4C Expanded Discord channel and let me know if you need them and I will hook you up.
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Jonathan N January 15, 2023 6:21 am UTC
4C for no readily understandable reason changed from 01-100 to 00-99. It bothers some, doesn't bother others. The original 4C streamlined and added to the MSH RPG Basic set rules. I like the way the powers are written up in 4C since it doesn't force particular origins on particular powers for example.
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James K February 07, 2023 2:12 pm UTC
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Yes, the creator of the original 4C System chose to make several changes that weren't widely accepted. I believe his intentions were to avoid any probable copyright infringements. At that time (around 2007) the retroclone thing was just taking off and people weren't certain what might cause a problem. Since the original 4C System was using a Master Table that was similar to the one used for FASERIP, they most likely changed the numbers to get around the "similar expression" aspect of the rules copyrights. I kept the 00=zero in 4C Expanded as a nod to the original 4C System.
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Brandon H August 26, 2021 3:17 am UTC
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Man, I loved this system back in my youth. But I'm finding that even the newer, updated versions suffer from the same vagueness of combat rules (at least for me).

Like . . . how does Dodge work? Or, in this case, EVADE for melee? And by "how does it work", I mean, exactly how does it work? How does it affect the turn order? How does it affect the EVADING PC's other action economy in that turn?

For example, if you have HERO fighting VILLAIN, and VILLAIN wins initiative. VILLAIN attacks with a punch. HERO evades. Can Hero then attack when its his turn in that same round? Is there a penalty on that attack? Or does the EVADE action use up all of HERO's action for that turn?

Or, in that same example:

VILLAIN attacks HERO and misses. HERO then attacks VILLAIN and hits. Can VILLAIN try and dodge? That seems very "comic-book", but I don't see anywhere in the rules where that adjudication is spelled out.

I feel like I'm missing something...See more
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James K August 28, 2021 4:49 pm UTC
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Lee S August 24, 2021 5:59 am UTC
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I was working on something of my own with the 4C System and just remembered that this existed.
Thank you for also placing your update to 4C into public domain.

I'm curious. Do you know why Dodging was changed from 2/4/6 shifts to 3/6/9 shifts?
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James K August 24, 2021 10:16 pm UTC
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Hi Lee! The Dodging rules were changed in the original 4C System rules by Phil Reed. His reasons may have been to further differentiate those rules from TSR's version from the 80s to avoid any copyright issues. I kept them (and the 00=zero rule) intact for 4C Expanded just as a nod to the original 4C System. You should be able to adjust the Dodging rules, as well as change the 00 to be read as 100% instead of zero without any issues.
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Lee S August 25, 2021 2:35 am UTC
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Thanks for the reply, James.
I was wondering about the 00=0 thing, also, so thanks for mentioning it, too.
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Neil S August 03, 2021 3:10 am UTC
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POD
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James K August 10, 2021 3:57 am UTC
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I use Lulu.com for my prints.

https://www.lulu.com/shop/james-keck/4c-expanded/paperback/product-24309688.html?page=1&pageSize=4
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Gerald S June 07, 2021 2:36 am UTC
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So any updates on the SRD? :)
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James K July 09, 2021 1:48 pm UTC
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Sorry to have been absent for so long. I don't have the time to assemble an SRD. Instead I'm placing all of the rules in the book into the public domain. Artwork, my name and those of the contributors are not included. If you have any questions on some of the content drop a line here or come over to the 4CExpanded Farcebook page and give me a shout.
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James K February 14, 2021 12:23 am UTC
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Sorry to have been absent for so long. I don't have the time to assemble an SRD. Instead I'm placing all of the rules in the book into the public domain. Artwork, my name and those of the contributors are not included. If you have any questions on some of the content drop a line here or come over to the 4CExpanded Farcebook page and give me a shout. .
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James R January 26, 2021 4:29 am UTC
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Also pinging about the SRD - I would like to make a FoundryVTT system using these rules and would like to get either official permission or an SRD I can base them on. Thanks!
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Gerald S October 05, 2020 9:30 pm UTC
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Asking again about the status of the SRD, and whether or not a PoD option might be in the works
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Gerald S June 29, 2020 8:12 am UTC
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Any update on the SRD? Also, will there be a PoD at some point?
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Thomas M May 04, 2020 9:08 am UTC
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On page 102; "A character with a Strength Rank Value of 30 does 6 points of damage whenever he or she punches an opponent."

Shouldn't it be 12 points?
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Thomas M May 04, 2020 9:22 am UTC
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Oops, page 97.
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James K February 14, 2021 12:10 am UTC
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You are correct. Sorry for the typo.
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Jack M January 03, 2020 4:39 am UTC
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What's in the new update?
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James K January 05, 2020 8:40 am UTC
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Added some missing rules text.
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David P December 30, 2019 5:39 pm UTC
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Hello. How is Initiative determined in this game? Are there plans to create a character building software? How does this game handle horror? Are there any rules for fear or sanity?
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James K December 31, 2019 8:32 pm UTC
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Each character rolls percentile dice and adds their Vision Trait Value to the roll. Highest roll goes first. GM rolls once for all creatures or NPCs.

No current plans for any software.

There are currently no rules for fear or sanity, but there are plans for such in a future update.

Thank you!
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Jeff M October 23, 2019 8:17 pm UTC
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Hello James, i have a question, does the 4c expanded rules are open source just like the previous version ?
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James K October 24, 2019 8:36 am UTC
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The rules within the document are, but some of the other material is under copyright.. I will be putting together an SRD soon that will have all of the open source material from this document plus some other genre specific rules that will also be open source.
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Jeff M October 24, 2019 2:08 pm UTC
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Thanks you very much.
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robert I October 18, 2019 12:17 am UTC
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is this an expansion or an updated rule book?
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Todd M October 18, 2019 3:36 am UTC
Excellent question. If it is, then Keck's only milking one teat on the cash cow.
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James K October 21, 2019 3:38 am UTC
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Sort of both I suppose. I had wanted to release something like this several years ago, but due to needing to focus on family and some health issues, I had to shelve it. I picked it back up again since my oldest started showing an interest in role playing games. It is a revision of some of the original 4C System rules along with the addition of several others that were left out back then. I started working on a couple of old projects that were intended to be used with other systems, but I decided to revamp 4C and use it instead. There will be at least two settings released in the next few months that use this new version, and each will include some new genre specific rules.
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